Is it OK to use a pinch collar on a small (11 lb. puppy) with a trainer?
Question by Pamela M: Is it OK to use a pinch collar on a small (11 lb. puppy) with a trainer? My Sammy is a Morkie (Maltese/Yorkie mix) with some behavior issues and I am considering hiring a trainer for a few sessions. He will only use a pinch collar. I feel my dog may be too small for such a strong collar.
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Answer by Sophi <3 I dont know. Try it and see if he feels uncomfortable.
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I would not work with a trainer who used a pinch collar on a puppy. I would research other trainers / behaviorists. You could start by looking at the APDT website for a local trainer.
ok so you have a mutt and yes you are right that is like putting bricks in a backpack and wanting a 3 year old to walk around with no trouble just use a normal collar that is all you need your trainer will tell you in your dog needs anything else.
I train dogs and would only use a pinch (prong) collar on large and stronger breeds like Shepherds, Dobermans, Pit Bulls, Mastiffs etc.. These collars must also be used with caution because they can put holes in your dogs neck… I say DON’T DO IT!!!
Prong collars, also known as pinch collars, are not a good training tool for any dog.
The best dog behaviorists and trainers in the country agree that positive reinforcement only is the best way to train any dog, including ones with behavioral problems.
Your dog will respond best to positive training, you won’t feel guilty for being mean to your dog, and your dog will be happier as well.
Prong collars, choke chains, leash jerking, and shock collars all weaken the bond between dog and owner.
For more information on positive reinforcement training I’ve provided a website as well as two books. If you want, you could always watch “It’s Me or the Dog” on Animal Planet, it is a great show with tons of information on positive reinforcement training.
While i have used the collar to train certain dogs. I don’t think i’d use it on such a small dog. The point is to do quick leash pops and simulate the mothers bite correcting the dog. However, yorkies are like the poster children for collapsible trachea’s and anything that strong on either one of the breeds is way too much on it’s neck and throat. Also if the trainer will ONLY use that collar then he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Not every training method is right for every dog. For example training my akita and cane corso was a completely different scenario than training my beagle or boxer. I went from 2 extremely dominant dogs to 2 super submissive ones (not that all beagles or boxers are submissive but they were). It really depends on the dog. I’d find a new trainer. If you do decide to go that route, you can buy small rubber peices that fit over the prongs so that the metal isn’t irritating to such a thin skinned dog and it won’t risk any cuts or abbrassions on it’s skin. If they don’t sell them at your local pet shop, i’m sure you can get them online somewhere.
I wouldn’t ever consider a trainer who used aversives as a first resort, particularly on a puppy that small. Any trainer that REQUIRES one without meeting the dog first and assessing just what’s needed really isn’t a very good trainer.
ETA: The argument that the collars “mimic the mother dog” is false. One, a mother dog’s teeth would NEVER be anywhere near her puppy’s throat. She uses her mouth ONLY to move her pups. There has never been a documented case of a mother dog grabbing a puppy’s neck unless her intention was to kill it.
hmmm, sounds like a small dog, and i dont think it would be a great idea. i have a puggle nd she needed alot of training wen i 1st got her, but i took her to some training classes and now shes great! it really pays off, nd using a pincher collar could really scare sammy nd he/she will be frightened 2 go 2 the training classes. over all i dont suggest it, but its your dog and u should deff go w/ wat u think is best, best of luck , -alii
NO WAY. i do not even suggest using it on a 80 lb lab. they can cause throat/trecea damage even death. sounds like that trainer is harsh way to harsh esp for yourre morkie who are very sensitive. i suggest using a trainer who only uses positive training techniques
How old is this puppy!?! If you are talking about a 3 year old dog, it’s fine provided that your trainer knows what he is doing. (Pinch collars do come in small sizes) A less than 6-7 month old puppy would be quite a different story. But, I have no idea what in the world he would want to use a prong collar for on such a small dog. I would be more inclined to use one of my shoe laces for a collar & lead on the little guy.
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I would not work with a trainer who used a pinch collar on a puppy. I would research other trainers / behaviorists. You could start by looking at the APDT website for a local trainer.
ok so you have a mutt and yes you are right that is like putting bricks in a backpack and wanting a 3 year old to walk around with no trouble just use a normal collar that is all you need your trainer will tell you in your dog needs anything else.
I train dogs and would only use a pinch (prong) collar on large and stronger breeds like Shepherds, Dobermans, Pit Bulls, Mastiffs etc.. These collars must also be used with caution because they can put holes in your dogs neck… I say DON’T DO IT!!!
Prong collars, also known as pinch collars, are not a good training tool for any dog.
The best dog behaviorists and trainers in the country agree that positive reinforcement only is the best way to train any dog, including ones with behavioral problems.
Your dog will respond best to positive training, you won’t feel guilty for being mean to your dog, and your dog will be happier as well.
Prong collars, choke chains, leash jerking, and shock collars all weaken the bond between dog and owner.
For more information on positive reinforcement training I’ve provided a website as well as two books. If you want, you could always watch “It’s Me or the Dog” on Animal Planet, it is a great show with tons of information on positive reinforcement training.
While i have used the collar to train certain dogs. I don’t think i’d use it on such a small dog. The point is to do quick leash pops and simulate the mothers bite correcting the dog. However, yorkies are like the poster children for collapsible trachea’s and anything that strong on either one of the breeds is way too much on it’s neck and throat. Also if the trainer will ONLY use that collar then he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Not every training method is right for every dog. For example training my akita and cane corso was a completely different scenario than training my beagle or boxer. I went from 2 extremely dominant dogs to 2 super submissive ones (not that all beagles or boxers are submissive but they were). It really depends on the dog. I’d find a new trainer. If you do decide to go that route, you can buy small rubber peices that fit over the prongs so that the metal isn’t irritating to such a thin skinned dog and it won’t risk any cuts or abbrassions on it’s skin. If they don’t sell them at your local pet shop, i’m sure you can get them online somewhere.
I wouldn’t ever consider a trainer who used aversives as a first resort, particularly on a puppy that small. Any trainer that REQUIRES one without meeting the dog first and assessing just what’s needed really isn’t a very good trainer.
Look for a new trainer here http://ccpdt.org/index.php?option=com_mtree&Itemid=16 or here http://apdt.com/petowners/ts/default.aspx
ETA: The argument that the collars “mimic the mother dog” is false. One, a mother dog’s teeth would NEVER be anywhere near her puppy’s throat. She uses her mouth ONLY to move her pups. There has never been a documented case of a mother dog grabbing a puppy’s neck unless her intention was to kill it.
hmmm, sounds like a small dog, and i dont think it would be a great idea. i have a puggle nd she needed alot of training wen i 1st got her, but i took her to some training classes and now shes great! it really pays off, nd using a pincher collar could really scare sammy nd he/she will be frightened 2 go 2 the training classes. over all i dont suggest it, but its your dog and u should deff go w/ wat u think is best,
best of luck , -alii
NO WAY. i do not even suggest using it on a 80 lb lab.
they can cause throat/trecea damage even death.
sounds like that trainer is harsh way to harsh esp for yourre morkie who are very sensitive.
i suggest using a trainer who only uses positive training techniques
Do not go to a trainer who uses a pinch collar, especially on a toy dog. If he needs to use it, he doen’t know what he is doing.
How old is this puppy!?!
If you are talking about a 3 year old dog, it’s fine provided that your trainer knows what he is doing. (Pinch collars do come in small sizes) A less than 6-7 month old puppy would be quite a different story.
But, I have no idea what in the world he would want to use a prong collar for on such a small dog. I would be more inclined to use one of my shoe laces for a collar & lead on the little guy.