Do you think Cesar Millan (The Dog Whisperer) uses techniques that are against animal rights/welfare and why?
Question by megan.jones_march1990: Do you think Cesar Millan (The Dog Whisperer) uses techniques that are against animal rights/welfare and why?
According to many Animal Rights, Welfare and Cruelty Groups such as RSPCA, Greenpeace, United Nations for Animal Issues, International Humane Society and Amnesty International for Animal Issues, Cesar Millan uses outdates, inhumane and unnessary. There are more modern techniques to use, what is your opinion and why?
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Answer by Skipper *BSL IS BS ITSELF*
My opinion stays short and simple. I do NOT agree with his training techniques. I don’t believe anything I watch on TV. It is a 1/2 hour EDITED tv show. I like the idea of training the people, many issues are caused by the owners not the dogs. His methods ARE out of touch. I think he’s really stupid and all he does is make dogs mentally shut down. He’s an actor, not a trainer.
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I don’t watch or listen to those want to be so called dog trainers on television.
Here’s your answer, far better than any here can give you;
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Much goes on off camera that you don’t see. Cesar uses electronic collars, prongs, and other rather harsh techniques. If you watch closely, you can see his hand in his pocket…he carries a remote with him on camera to buzz a dog that isn’t listening. Victoria Stillwell is the handler of choice among all of us that use positive training methods.
If anything, his methods are not definitive enough to correctly train a dog. They are NOT outdated, they are simply ineffective because he cannot follow through with his correction, he nags a dog instead of delivering ONE punishing correction.
Oh how I love you animal welfare rights people and your ideas…LOVE THEM…if it were up to you, there would be no real dogs left and none would be trained!!!
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Oh great there are actually Cesar Milan haters? No there is nothing he is doing against animal rights otherwise he would not be in business for so long as he has. He has saved millions of dogs and he takes in dogs that are going to be euthanized for attack bite behaviors or killer dogs. He changes them to the most loving behavior and you would never think the dog had an aggressive streak to begin with. Cesar uses positive reinforcement, body language, and words. He only uses positive training tools such as halter collars. No choke collars of any sort or any other negative training tools. Whether his techniques are outdated or not, it works for him and the owners. It does not matter. What makes you a good dog trainer is one that has success with all dogs. All those groups you mention love Cesar Millan. In fact they are affiliated in many ways too including AKC. He’s world wide recognized as a professional dog trainer.
Here’s his website and see the hundreds of people who go to him for help and their success stories. http://www.cesarsway.com/packgallery/successstories/diana-richards
I do not agree with all his methods but I have recently utilized some of them on my dog and they have worked wonders. I have learned to stay calm and assertive. I apply rules, boundaries and limitations. I do not alpha roll or simulate a bite. I just stand tall and give her the look that I am in charge. I do not feed her or let her do anything while she is excited. I make her calm down first.
We are still working on the barking at the door!
All that positive, treat training did not work for her. She always got too excited. You need to find the method that works best for your dog.
I also like all the work that Mr. Milan and his wife to for unwanted abused dogs.
I feel that some of his methods are very outdated, and I have actually worried before that untrained and naive people watching may copy them and put themselves in danger. A random person trying to pin down or “bite” their aggressive strong breed dog is running a huge risk. I feel the main issue is that Cear Millan is encouraging people to be amateur dog trainers, often using dangerous methods rather than seeking professional help for serious problems.
Yes I think his techniques are inhumane.
He lacks understanding of dog psychology. He is not an expert, he has had no schooling whatsoever in dog behavior. He is completely self-taught.
He uses outdated punitive methods that is damaging to dogs. He even uses shock collars or choke chains to force a dog “into submission.” In these two youtube videos you can see how on one he chokes a dog “into submission” claiming the dog is “dominant.” The second one you can clearly see he is using a shock collar repeatedly on a dog to cause pain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQUegRGo0kw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi3ve9sWslI&feature=related
His dominance-submission methodology is medieval dog training. The best dog behaviorists and scientists agree that you should train your dog in a positive manner through positive reinforcement, not the old punitive and abusive methods. If you want a real dog trainer’s advice, listen to Victoria Stilwell.
Yes I do!
Cesar Millan is an idiot to put it VERY mildly. Plain and simple!
Here is MY opinion of Cesar Millan. Cesar Millan is definitely an ACTOR. He is NOT a “trained” professional! If you read Cesar Millan’s bio on Wikipedia, it seems like he is a GREAT guy. He has created the Cesar and IIusion Millan Foundation, he has gotten some awards, like from the Humane society and his stupid show was even nominated for an EMMY! (May I ask what for?) He has participated in other numerous organizations etc. etc. But, if you look closely you will see that he has been in some legal problems. People have sued him and he has been criticized. No honest, good, dog trainer gets sued from their own clients! I mean how bad is that? And yes, he does do cruel inhumane so called “training” methods on dogs. I can’t believe so MANY people worship him! It’s sick!
I don’t want to hear it that I just don’t understand his methods. Believe me I do! It is true that people judge things they don’t understand, but cruelty, neglect and inhumane methods are OBVIOUS! It’s sick that people are so violent all of the time! So….do people get their kids to behave by doing the “alpha roll?” NO. Then why should we do it for dogs? And no I don’t want to hear about how dogs live in a pack because I know that too already.
Cesar Millan self taught himself to train dogs. He has made up ridiculous methods! I don’t see anything charming or wonderful about him!
I’m not a fool and I don’t feel any sympathy for the “hard life” he had before he found out that he was “gifted” with dogs.
I agree with Greek on the nagging crap- That “Pst!” finger jab technique is going to get you bitten the 3rd or 4th time with some dogs. At the least all it’s learning is that you’re annoying, and it’s better to ignore.
One good correction is better that 10000+ little nags.
Inhumane? Nope. Ineffective? I think so. Not really outdated, just not the right stuff. Probably because he’s an entertainer, not a trainer.
AR groups would jump all over me- I have TRAINED dogs. I didn’t get them that way by cajoling, either.
Do I think Cesar’s methods are outdated? No. Ineffective? Yes. I never have and I never will believe in the “All Positive” way of training a dog. Are you kidding me? Since when did we become a country of solving everything by hugging and patting things on the back? It’s just like with kids. Everyone freaks out when a kid gets an open hand spanking. Really? Has a spanking every really hurt? Should people use belts and spoons and whatever else? No. But this country is turning our children and our pets into a bunch of pansies. Do I correct my dog when he does something he’s not supposed to? You’re damn right I do. Do I use a prong collar? Sure do. Do I smack his nose if he tries to nip another dog? You better believe it.
My dog fears, respects and loves me and that’s how I want it to be. He knows that as long as he doesn’t harm another person or another dog, then he won’t be punished. He knows that when I say stop barking, it’s time to stop barking. He knows that when I say sit or lay down, it’s time to sit or lay down. At the same time, he knows that he can come to me at any time for affection, guidance, food, water, whatever he needs.
Here’s an example: On Sunday I went to a local off-leash dog park with my Doberman and he was fine all day until we got back to the entrance and he saw a Great Dane. Now, usually he’s great with other dogs but I think the sheer size of the Great Dane annoyed him for some reason. He started running around the Dane trying to provoke it and when the Dane didn’t respond, he ran at it and tried to bite it on the leg to get its attention. I was sitting at a picnic table at the time and I immediately said his name and stood up. My Dobe immediately put his head to the ground then laid down realizing that he was in for a correction. I didn’t correct him there because of the amount of people around and I didn’t need to. He sat up, stared at me, I whispered in his ear and he never reacted to the Dane again. There were mixed looks from the onlooking crowd. Some looked on like, “Wow, he must abuse his dog” while others looked on like “Wow, I wish I had that kind of control over my dog”. Either way it didn’t matter to me.
ADD: You all can give me a thumbs down all you want but when your dog bites a child or another dog, try feeding it a treat and patting it on the back and see how well that works to stop him from doing it again. I would rather smack my dogs nose then have him put to sleep for attacking a person.
Sorry, I don’t want any of those groups to tell me how to train my dogs. Sometimes a correction is necessary. I also don’t trust those groups, their main focus to to eliminate animal ownership.
Personally, I like Cesar. He deals with some tough dogs. Do I agree with everything he does? No, but I don’t agre with everything Victoria Stillwell does either.
According to the Animal Rights activists, just the fact of owning a dog is against their agenda.
I don’t like Cesar Milan’s techniques as they are dangerous to the humans trying to emulate him. I also agree with Greek that they nag a dog and are not clear. In Cesar’s defense I have often heard him say that he is not a trainer. This in fact is true, he can’t train a dog to get out of a paper bag. I do agree with his exercise and boundaries. But I do not agree with his “calm submissive” state. When I am competing, I don’t want my dogs calm and submissive. I want them animated and responsive.
ADD: Summer09 have you ever watched CM? For one thing there are thousands of businesses still in business that the Animal Rights people are against. CM Does use pinch collars, choke collars (his patented Illusion collar is a modified choke collar with some major flaws) and electric collars. He does not use positive reward training, he uses dominance methods.