A Dog Question (For Experienced Dog Owners & Handlers Only)?
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So, I’ve been researching the Weimaraner breed. I emailed the WCA and asked them for a list of reputable breeders in my area/state/near me. They emailed me back and I contacted the breeder, a young woman who has had 10 years of experience with Weimaraners. She said that the youngest male puppy she currently had was 8 month old Bobby, a Weimaraner she was willing to co-own. She wants to co-own so that she can have a say in any use as a stud dog and to make sure she gets him back if I have to give him up. Here are our emails:
Hi,
The youngest pups I have are almost 8 months now. One is a male that I am only willing to place in a home that will show, or that will let me show him. He has exceptional conformation. He was Reserve Winners Dog at the WCA Nationals at just over 6 months old. I think this puppy will be great for AKC performance events as well. Very attentive and willing learner. His Dam has a Junior Hunter title.
With a bit more show training, he would make a really fun JR showmanship dog.
He understands about cranky old ladies. We have one here and his mother keeps him in line as well.
He is house trained, crate trained, started water retrieving training, VERY sweet and loving. Laid back if he gets his daily running in.
He would be placed on co-ownership with me and I would have a say in any use as a stud dog.
That is all I have at this time. There is a chance the dam of the last litter will be bred again in the fall.
Please let me know what you are interested in (this male, or future litter) and I can get you more information.
Thanks,
Her
Name
So that basically describes him. She has put a lot of time and effort into him, and she’s willing to sell him to me (on a co-owner contract, of course) for 1k. Well, we haven’t quite gotten to the contract or the selling, but she said she would sell him to a home that would work best with her for as low as 1k. She told me that I needed to understand that he was a dog who it was hard to put a price tag on because of all the time and effort she had put into him. Most breeders would sell him for 2.5k and up.
I’m a novice dog owner…I’ve never trained a dog before but I’ve researched the subject a lot. I can take care of a Weim- exercise, food, shots, etc. is not an issue b/c it will be taken care of adequately.
Would you recommend continuing my search into getting him? I definitely want to show Weimaraners and Doberman Pinschers and be a professional dog trainer, (I’m going to go to training classes at a professional training place near my house) and I think that this dog would be a very good step into the Canine World.
But money is another issue…because of the economy, my family doesn’t have money we can just fling around anymore, and dogs require money. Show expenses and traveling fees require money…(which the breeder said she would help out with) shots and etc. requires money and potential emergency surgery requires money (which the breeder said she would help out with) so, in a way, it all seems to come down to money. Whether he will get a good home with me or not isn’t even a question for me- I know I can provide to meet his needs and I will. So now we’re on to the next part- is he worth the money? I know he is, but is it worth to spend so much money on him? I’m paying for him, that was one of the regulations I had to get past with my parents in order for them to consider me getting a dog, but I’m kind of in a tight spot right now.
What would you suggest? 10 points to the best, most informative answer.
I am looking for a pet as well as a show dog and obedience trial dog. I’m willing to spend the time and effort into making this dog shine, and if he becomes a champion, I will consider breeding him to a female to produce puppies just as good, if not better, to make the Weimaraner breed stay in shape. Thanks for your info!
His parents are both OFA hip cleared.
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Answer by walking lady
If this puppy is as good as the breeder claims he is – and he must be because puppies that young simply do NOT get reserve winners at any national specialty as there’s a ton of competition – this would be a deal too good to pass up!
Provided…..you truly are committed to both this breed and to getting this dog in the show ring as well as working him in the field. She’d be foolish to let him go to someone who won’t let him reach his potential.
Just a few things you should have clarified in the contract if you go ahead with this: you need it in writing that this dog lives with you unless you agree to the breeder taking him to show. You need it in writing that stud fees are split. Any kind of financial agreement needs to be in writing, such as sharing vet bills, OFA costs, CERF costs, etc.
If you’re at all interested in showing this is a deal you should really, really consider seriously.
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NO don’t do it… This just sounds way to fishy to me. Plus do you really want her to be that involved in your life I wouldn’t …
I think the co owner ship is a good idea, as you are a novice she would be able to help you with the dog and unless you are think about backyard breeding you wouldn’t even need to use him as a stud
I would buy him
as she is willing to offer a lot of help in return she says yes or no if you can breed him and let her show him its a good deal
If you have the money, I would say go for it.
This is a dog that has already started out his show career on the right foot. As I said in your other question, I think co-ownerships are GREAT for novice handlers. The breeder will be right there guiding you the entire way, because this affects her as well as you.
I started showing dogs at 10 years old. Im 25 now. Owning a show dog is alot of work. You need to worry about things like keeping him healthy. Making sure he continues to stay show ready (ex: making sure he stays safe, no wounds, can’t be shaved, keeps all of his teeth, so on) If you decide to show him yourself, you also need to take into consideration: training, buying crates, brushes, water bottles, show collars, grooming table, and anything else you’d need at a dog show. All of these things are very expensive! Then there is also entry fees for the shows, and gas to get to the show. Its a wonderful hobby, but you also need to be prepared for the $ $ $ $ you’ll put into it. If your looking for just a pet, I’d stay away from this one.
since you have a money problem and she wants him to go to the right home , doubt if she will let you gt him.
think she wants someone knowable in the show ring. but if serious about it, she may mentor you.
I wish I knew who the breeder was, or who the dog was. Have you been to the WCA site & looked to see if you can find the results of the WCA nationals? I was up there, but did not stay the whole time. I did bring home a catalog. What class did he win from – 6 months, American bred, Bred by Exhibitor?
While RWD at 6 months is really pretty good, I do have to wonder who was showing the dog (sometimes a win is political, it isn’t always who the best dog was). What titles do his parents have? You only indicate she says the mother has a JH. Do either, or both parents have a Championship? I think at least one of the parents needs to have a CH for you to have a good chance to finish the dog. How deep are the championships on each side of the pedigree? (Has she sent a copy to you?) Has she told you her reasons for breeding this litter? What were her goals? What was she breeding for or to improve on specifically? Do you live close enough for her to become yor mentor or for you to be able to get the dog back to her, for showing?
The price is pretty standard, maybe a bit low for a show quality male Weim – IF both parents are CH. Other than hips, do the parents have any other health screenings (like eyes – CERF or thyroid)? What sort of written guarantee as to his hips will she offer? What if they do not turn out as okay? Under what circumstances (if any) can you get OUT of the co-ownership? Does she offer any rebates for TITLES earned? Will she sponsor you for WCA membership? Do you have a LOCAL Weim club in your area? Will you join? You must remain a member of the WCA until his Futurity & Maturity comes around if the litter was Futurity nominated. You need to know about these added costs.
BTW, I just finished a male Weim at about 18 months. While early wins are nice, you may not find it easy to win much (against older, more mature dogs) until he is 15-18 months. Can you afford the show costs? Each show entry is $ 27-32. That doesn’t include gas, food, a handler or a motel room. Do you know what the point schedule is in your area, or how many dogs he has to beat for a MAJOR? (He needs 2 major wins [of 3-5 points] & a total of 15 points for a CH.)